Pervious Parking Stalls in Aptos

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Parking stalls never looked so good! Here you can see, courtesy of Google maps, the top down look at parking stalls for this large apartment complex in Soquel, California. Below, you can see up close, pervious parking stalls with marking paint. While we don’t encourage AC pavement draining onto adjacent pervious concrete as a design concept, this went in well, and will be in service for a long time. Find more photos below!


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Pervious Concrete Dynamic System Modeling

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We have been working with architects, engineers, homeowners and municipalities to really explain how pervious concrete is a comprehensive storm water mitigation device. It has proven difficult to help people to wrap their heads around how allowing water to soak in to where it falls, using pervious concrete, is a viable storm water management strategy - so we have started to use Dynamic System Modeling as a tool to help explain what is happening in a pervious concrete slab, and how much water it can infiltrate over time.

When we use the concept of infiltration over time, pervious concrete systems provide huge capacity, far exceeding most climate’s most intense storm events. That is most easily demonstrated using a software modeling system. This allows insight as to a system’s capacity, and informs design, to ensure that the pavement and drain rock base will meet or exceed the required storm water infiltration amounts.

We have more information about this on our Pervious Concrete Dynamic Systems Modeling page, or you can contact us for more information!

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CSU East Bay has a new Concrete Testing Lab

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David had taken some samples at a recent pour and wanted to get them tested. Fortunately, Cristian Gaedicke, Concrete Materials Professor at CSU East Bay, had a new lab with brand new equipment to try out. We headed over for a tour and a testing field trip. Below are some photos of our compression test. We also did a void and density test but I hadn’t started taking photos at that point. Below you will see Cristian sawing off the top of the samples, to make them flat for capping.
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Next, we capped the 2 samples in sulfur, which makes them totally -perfectly- flat. That is also the way we have tested all of the rest of our samples, so we can keep our data consistent. The sulfur is heated in an industrial-type crock pot, under a hood for total ventilation. The green corner piece is the mold that sets the final edge so it is exactly at 90 degrees.
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David stirs the melting sulfur chips. Since the lab was pretty new, the sulfur pot hadn’t been used yet!
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Once the 2 samples were capped, they were put into the crush test. This measures the PSI load of the sample. Below you can see the sample in the crushing machine.
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I am taking copious notes, while Cristian is making sure the machine works.
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David is also taking notes as the test is being set up.
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David and Cristian compare notes, and discuss the results. They review the smashed cylinders, seeing the pattern and reviewing paste adhesion in this mix.
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David is very happy with the results!
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You can see that both cylinders had very consistent crush pattern.
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The whole crew, minus the photographer!
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Pervious Concrete and Maintenance - Your Questions Answered!

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Recently, maintaining pervious concrete has come up several times in a week, prompting this blog post. The good news is that this conversation is happening. The bad news is that some people who are not on board with pervious are using an ill-informed maintenance opinion to shape their judgement. We here at Bay Area Pervious Concrete would like to clear up a few of the misconceptions around maintenance.

Firstly, we have found the relevance of maintenance is tied directly to the porosity of the slab itself. A healthy infiltration rate for a slab of pervious concrete is 250-1000 inches per square foot per hour. That ensures that even if the slab was 99% clogged, and the 5 year storm event was 3 inches in 24 hours (as we have here in the Bay Area), that slab would easily be able to absorb that entire storm. So at 99% clogged, the slab would take in 2.5 inches - 10 inches of stormwater per hour per square foot!

Secondly, here are three helpful resources to help with installing a good slab, maintaining it and the fixing a worst case scenario:
1) In order to make sure you get your healthy infiltration rates, an experienced and qualified contractor is required. We have performance based specs that you may review, so that you can be sure to get a good contractor and get a great pervious concrete installation! We also have a BAPC PolishedTM Pervious Spec that we will send at your request.

2) Regular maintenance that can be done, if there is a budget and a desire for a plan. We have put together a maintenance manual that we give to clients at their request when we finish work for them. This gives an idea what you can anticipate, allows one to set up a maintenance schedule, and has resources to call if clogging does occur.

3) Pervious concrete can recover porosity after clogging over years as shown from a research paper from Florida that came out a few years ago. The paper shows several slabs of unmaintained pervious ranging in age from 6 to 20 years old that were able to recover significant infiltration after a pressure washing, vacuuming or a combination of both - after YEARS of neglect. So, no maintenance, no problem!


Do you have any unanswered questions about maintenance and pervious concrete? Submit them here, and we may add them to this post!

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Stormwater Sleuthing - Episode 2 - Palo Alto

David Liguori is back in the field, this time comparing a long sloped asphalt driveway with a neighboring long and sloped pervious concrete driveway during a rainstorm last year.



What did you think? Do you have a Stormwater Sleuthing location (in the Bay Area) that you would like David to investigate the next time it rains? Let us know in the comments below or contact us here. Thanks!
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USGBC Greener Builder - a fantastic conference!

Lauren Wray, our Director of Marketing, attended the USGBC’s Greener Builder Conference last week. Apparently the Greener Builder Conference is even GREENER then the Green Builder Conference that occurred in November! This conference did not disappoint. From the opening panel, pictured below, featuring Jeffrey A. Birdwell, Michael Deane, Kevin Hydes, Kirsten Ritchie and moderated by Cliff Brewis, the focus was on leading edge sustainability, and strategies to get regenerative planning and innovation into the building industry.

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There were good options for every panel, but as pervious concrete sub-contractors, we went to the subcontractor panel, hosted by John Home and Jeff Swinyer of Rudolph and Sletten, pictured below.

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Lauren, pictured below, was interested in the drive toward clear performance specs to allow for differentiation at the sub-contractor level. As a pervious concrete subcontractor, we differentiate ourselves with our embrace of leading edge technologies for mix design and installation. Unfortunately, many current specs don’t reflect the progress in the installation, mix designs, equipment and curing materials that has developed in the last few years.

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The next panel we attended discussed Environmental Product Disclosures (EPDs), a labeling system that discloses the resource footprint of the many materials that go into the built environment. The panel also included the next iteration, the Health Product Disclosures, which discloses the materials and chemicals that have been proven or correlated in causing health problems for humans.
Central Concrete, a sponsor of the event, has been heavily involved in the EPD project for disclosing the materials for the concrete industry. Below is a photo of the panelists from this panel.

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The last panel of the day went over Net Zero Energy buildings with John Andary and Scott Shell, pictured below. It was a fascinating look at what is currently possible with technologies now: buildings that use as much energy as they make. The building case studies discussed also illustrated how livable and workable these spaces were, with thought for passive heating and cooling. Many of the designs features windows that bounced daylight far into the building envelope, as well as fresh air ventilation. It was a wonderful talk, even though their topics stayed primarily inside the building envelope.

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The final speaker, Jason McLennan, pictured below, gave a wonderful talk on self limits. His talk really stood out for his candor and optimism. For a young guy, has accomplished quite a bit in the green building spaces. Currently he is pioneering the Living Building movement.

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After his talk, Jason McLennan was joined by George Salah, of Google, and David Gottfried of the USGBC. They discussed everything from George’s living-building home construction project to Jason’s motivation to do the work that he does: “I give a shit.” That was wonderful.

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FInally, after it was all over, we found that there was a fantastic array of beers, wine and snacks to round out the day’s networking. It was a great event, and one we will look forward to attending next year!

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A BIG thank you to Charlie Nucci, who took these photos at the event. You can find more about Charlie and his work at his website here.

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Graniterock Quarry Tour - with Pictures!!

The Bay Area Pervious Concrete team went to visit Graniterock at their Aromas location. Lauren arranged for a tour with Graniterock with their testing group. We piled into a car wit Katha and Greg, both in the Graniterock materials testing group. First we went to visit Big Bill, the massive material spreader.

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Big Bill(pictured above) was at the end of a 3mile conveyor belt bringing material from the waste end of the crushing processing to the spreader. The wheels were at least 10 feet in diameter! It was a massive machine! The material being spread looked like moon dust!

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After leaving Big Bill we went into the quarry. You could see the step-like traces of material that had been removed. The terraces started at the top of the hill and went rather deep, below sea level! There was this massive truck (pictured above)that was moving the 'raw' rock and rubble close to the initial crushing machine (picture below). The crushing machine was in the quarry and it was even more massive then Big Bill the spreader! Here are a few photos of the team with the crusher. It was not running at the time, I would imagine it would be deafening! From the large initial crusher, another conveyor, shorter then the 3 miler, takes the material to the processing yard.

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The material on the initial conveyor is then sorted into two sizes (big, for dry processing, and smaller, for wet processing) before being further sifted, crushed and rinsed to final product sizes and blends. The processing yard was a maize of conveyors, buildings on stilts (the crushing/processing/screening) and piles of material. Going into their control tower, we could see the levels of complexity and organization to keep all of that machinery moving that went unseen in the maize outside the windows. Even further beneath the surface of the processing yard was another conveyor in a tunnel beneath the main stockpiles, to allow for high control of the custom blends and product development.

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Graniterock's newest addition to the quantitative analysis even had this fabulous quality assessment program that noted the size of final aggregate moment to moment to ensure consistency of the final product. They could, in real time, plumb their data and understand how consistent their product was, and make appropriate adjustments to bring it back into line. That type of feedback allows the quality team to be responsive to current inventory as well as give the operations team insights as to how well their processes are processing. It was a fantastic set-up, although I may be a data geek.

It was a fantastic tour of a great facility. We learned a lot about the aggregates that we use frequently in the Peninsula as well as how it gets to us. Really good quality rock makes even better pervious concrete! Please send us comments or questions! Happy

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Pervious Concrete Technician Course offered in Truckee!

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The Rational Method and Pervious Concrete

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The Rational Method is used by many storm water civil engineers to understand storm water runoff. Frequently it is being invoked to understand the impacts of pervious concrete. Frankly, the Rational Method has no place designing with pervious, and this is what we are going to discuss.

The simplest reason being, the Rational Method is there the allow engineers to size the necessary sewer line appropriate to the runoff on the site. However, when pervious concrete is well designed and installed for most or all of the parking or access areas, there will be no runoff from that area. It is even possible, pending some limitations**, to capture most if not all of the adjacent runoff from impervious roofs or other impervious. That would make the runoff coefficient 0 or even negative. Given that, Q becomes zero, or less then zero. At that point, no drain pipe is needed to carry away the storm water, and the Rational Method is not the appropriate method for quantifying storm water.

This hints at the total shift that is before us - the way we previously understood hardscape and the associated negative externalities (runoff, storm water pollution, heat island effect, aquifer depletion) is turned on its head. Now these previous negative externalities are accounted for and reversed, and we are able to maintain the preferred hard & durable surface with pervious concrete. Pervious concrete allows storm water and pollution to filter in and infiltrate, allowing microbes and soil to be the filter that they are for the rest of nature. Pervious concrete mitigates the heat island effect in 2 ways, having a high solar reflectivity index as well as allowing a water and air exchange between the soil below and air above the pavement.

But given that codes are still being written, and some building and design professionals do not know about pervious concrete and its benefits we must still use the Rational Method. So I propose a stand-in coefficient.

To review the Rational Method for those of you who don't use this equation frequently,

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Q = the necessary size of the pipe to capture the runoff being generated by C, I and A.

A = The area whose runoff is being measured.
I = The rate of rainfall in a given time horizon.
C = The coefficient that is determined by the type of ground covering being measured, below you can see one version of the chart referenced.

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As you can see in the above chart, [impervious] paved surfaces gave a runoff coefficient of 0.94 for the 5-year storm event. Toward the bottom of this chart, "Lawn" and "Parks/Golf Courses/Cemeteries, 8% impervious" have a runoff coefficient of 0.21.

As far as I know, there is no such coefficient for pervious concrete to be used in the Rational Method. On the one hand, it isn't really necessary, as infiltration hardscapes may make the Rational Method less necessary. Or, perhaps the Rational Method will be adapted to vet and verify successful implementations of LID measures. In the meantime, it seems that a stand-in number is necessary - what if we were to use the "Parks/Golf Courses/Cemeteries, 8% impervious" 0.21 as a reference, and then include the >0.21, as it is less then 0.21, however it is unknown how much less at this point, for research has not yet been completed.

What do you think? Is this a reasonable way to discuss the Rational Method and pervious concrete?

** The limiting factor when dealing with pervious concrete is the subbase soil’s infiltration rate. Given enough area and enough reservoir base, it is possible to infiltrate a serious storm.

To chat directly with the author of this post, you can email me at Lauren@BayAreaPerviousConcrete.com

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Pervious Concrete Protects Trees!

How close can you pave to a tree?

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Normally, it is inadvisable to pave inside the drip line* of a tree. Depending on the size and age of a tree that can be a fairly sizable area. This can be problematic when traffic or use requires paving close to the tree. When traditional impervious pavements are installed near older established trees, it can spell the end of the tree. Is that true of pervious concrete?

It turns out there are two students at Texas A&M are doing this very research! Their recent work reveals pervious concrete does, in fact, enhance the growing conditions of established trees relative to traditional concrete. They poured traditional concrete around a few established trees, pervious concrete around a few established trees and left a few trees with no cover for the control, and measured tree health for a little over a year. The results: the trees surrounded by the pervious concrete had more trunk growth during the year then the trees surrounded by the traditional concrete!

What does this mean for you? The good news is that you can integrate pervious concrete paving into plant friendly parking lots and hardscape design, knowing that you are not compromising tree health. This also may open previously impossible parking or other paving possibilities due to the ability to extend the pervious concrete closer to the tree, well within the drip line. Yes, it can make installation tricky, but it can be done!

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The takeaway is that pervious concrete is great for protecting mature trees. As you can see above, our clients think so too!


*If you are like me, you may have never heard of a tree's drip line before. The drip line refers to the outermost point of the tree's canopy where rain water runoff drips onto the ground below. With a large tree, that may extend many feet out from the trunk. Here is where I found this out.


Volder, A. & Watson, T. (in preparation). "Effect of porous concrete on diameter growth and gas exchange of mature American sweetgum (Liquidamber styraciflua) trees".

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More Pervious Concrete in New Jersey Thanks to Assembly Member Rumana

Assembly Republican Whip Scott T. Rumana is a great advocate of pervious concrete. He spoke at a hearing of the Assembly Environment and Solid Waste Committee, encouraging New Jersey to utilize pervious concrete for "building walkways, access roads and parking lots"(Rumana, Dec. 10).

From the article:
“The bill, A-1912, would require any state agency to use pervious concrete “wherever appropriate” including access roads, pathways, roadways and parking lots. The New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection would be charged with adopting criteria for the use of pervious concrete on state projects.”

We, here at Bay Area Pervious Concrete, completely agree with State Assemblymember Rumana! By properly planning with and installing pervious concrete well will save construction costs, reduce storm water runoff and reduce storm water pollution! Contact us for more information, and please click here for the great article featuring State Assemblymember Rumana!
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2 Symptoms of Failed Pervious Concrete - Raveling and Sealing

2 Symptoms of Failed Pervious Concrete - Raveling and Sealing

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Recently it has come to our attention that there appears to be a discrepancy in what a high-quality pervious concrete jobs looks like, and what has been passed off as high quality but in fact is not at all quality.

Failed installations have 2 main features:
raveling and sealing.

Raveling is when the aggregate comes off of the slab as cement coated gravel. That can be an indication of poor mix design, poor installation technique or even misunderstand the weather's impact on the day of the pour.

Sealing is when the water pools and does not go through. It is possible to have sealing at the top, where it looks blotchy, or just beneath the surface such that the finish looks appropriate but does not drain. This is an indication of poor mix design. An experienced pervious concrete installer understands how critical the proper mix is and works closely with his ready-mix partners to get it right.

As we at BAPC have said before, pervious concrete is a tricky material and only those who are qualified, experienced and show a commitment to ongoing learning about techniques and mix designs are able to install and place pervious concrete with a consistent high quality.



We have created this video, complete with an amazing sound track, to illustrate what failed pervious concrete looks like, and what successful pervious concrete looks like. If you would like us to come out and evaluate your slab, or better yet, if you would like it done well the first time,
please contact us.

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Bunyan Pervious Roast 2012 - hot days in the desert!

Bunyan Pervious Roast 2012 - Just outside Las Vegas

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Out in the Nevada desert, outside of the Vegas we know is a far dustier affair known as the
Pervious Roast. Dave Mitchell and team put together a spectacular 3+ days of speakers, pervious pours and food, which by all accounts was very informative and fun. 

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Our own David Liguori spoke at an un-scheduled moment to go over what goods and the not-so-good installations look and sound like. The video will be posted in an upcoming blog post. There were also presentations from Scott Erickson of Evolution Paving, and Jereme Montgomery.

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BAPC's Rob Estrada was able to snag a picture with
Matt Offenberg, of bell-ringing fame. You can see how glad they are to head into the (air conditioned) NRMCA meeting. 

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~ Update: Lauren Wray
- Photo Credits: Robert Estrada, David Liguori, Lauren Wray

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4 Layers for Stormwater Management


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We at Bay Area Pervious Concrete have come a long way towards developing the Pervious Concrete as a viable Stormwater Management System. Going through this diagram, you can see where the water goes -- one of our most frequently asked questions.

Starting at the bottom-SOIL
We do soil infiltration tests before our jobs so we can understand how fast the water will soak in, underneath the pervious concrete. Once we understand the infiltration rates and soil composition, we can engineer the appropriate depths to excavate for the next layer, the drain rock.

Before we lay the drain rock we sometimes will lay a layer of GEOTECH Fabric, which adds a helpful barrier against some less porous soil types. We determine the need for this during the soil composition and infiltration tests.

Now for the DRAIN ROCK!
Drain rock is laid several to many inches thick, depending on the rain event to be captured, the soil type below, and how much impervious surface is draining into this slab. It is a very specific type of drain rock, not the typical base used under concrete which is impervious - we want to maintain about 40% air space to both allow water to pass through and give it place to "hang out" if the soil has a slow infiltration rate.

Finally the PERVIOUS CONCRETE
The pervious concrete is then laid on top of the drain rock, screeded and rolled into place and covered in plastic, where it will cure for at least a week.
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Redwood Avenue - Driveway

The Situation:
The client had flooding in the back and front of the house due to an uneven grade of the lot and excessive roof runoff.

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Why Pervious Concrete?
He initially wanted a pervious concrete driveway because of impervious ground cover limitations in his city.

The Solution:
We designed a pervious concrete driveway and side yard that is also the retention pond for all of the roof and yard runoff.The pervious concrete water retention system captures 100% of their runoff from the roof AND the lot. They now have a dry front yard, back yard and they can grill just off the kitchen without puddles!

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